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Are the Major League Soccer playoffs broke? How to fix them, or can they be fixed?

So I have heard and read a lot of things about how the playoffs this year are going to be "off" due to the real likelihood of 6 Western Conference teams and how it will be unfair to the top teams in MLS, both again likely in the Western Conference to make them play the other top teams in the West, while the "weaker" Western Conference teams would go to the East.

What a freakin mouth full, in short it isn't exactly fair that if the playoffs started today that the overall #1 and #2 teams in MLS (LA Galaxy and Real Salt Lake) would be facing off in the playoffs against FC Dallas and the Seattle Sounders (both of whom could end up with better point totals than the top teams in the East).

So here is how the playoffs would look if they started today:

LA Galaxy #1 (56 points) in the West would face off against the Seattle Sounders #4 (45 points) in the West.

Real Salt Lake #2 (52 points) in the West would face off against FC Dallas #3 (50 points) in the West

New York Red Bulls #1 (48 points) in the East would face off against Colorado Rapids #6 (42 points) from the West

Columbus Crew #2 (46 points) in the East would face off against San Jose #5 (43 points) from the West

The question most critics have is why would you take the worst teams from a conference and move them to the other conference instead of taking the stronger teams?  It would see that it is giving the weaker conference an easier road to the Championship instead of giving that advantage to the stronger conference.

Easy Fix #1 when there are 6 teams from one conference.

The top two teams in each conference are ranked 1-4 based on their points total, then 1vs8, 2 vs7, 3 vs6, and 4vs5. That seems logical, so it would be LA vs. Colorado, RSL vs. San Jose, New York vs Dallas, and Columbus vs Seattle.

after the jump an ever easier fix (one you never thought you would hear from me:

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OK, I have resisted the whole single table thing because far too many soccer fans in the US think that getting it will lead to the whole of promotion/relegation which I don't think will ever take in the US.  That being said with the expansion of MLS to 18 teams next year and at least 19 in 2012, a single table for standings makes sense until you have so many teams that playing a balanced schedule (play every team home and away) no longer is possible.  So if this system were in place right now we would have the following playoff series:

#1 Los Angeles Galaxy vs. #8 Colorado Rapids
                                        vs.
#4 New York Red Bulls vs. #5 Columbus Crew

#2 Real Salt Lake vs. #7 San Jose Earthquakes
                          vs.
#3 FC Dallas vs #6 Seattle Sounders

and I will be honest I am not sure if I like that but one thing is for sure, no matter how the playoffs shape up this year with 6 teams from one conference making it in, it will have to impact how the playoffs are structured in the future.  It may be a single table (but once we go to an unbalanced schedule - I think this becomes a problem), it may be that you take the top two teams from each conference and then rank them so you can reward the teams with the better numbers regardless of conference, or we could leave it like it is.

The reality is that no plan is ever going to make everyone happy, and I am sure that should LA lose to Seattle, or RSL to FC Dallas that fans of the teams that lose will bemoan that the system is broke.  It may well be, but as long as their are playoffs, there will be playoff controversy.

OFF MY SOAPBOX

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I don’t mind your first option.
Hate the 2nd option.
Sorry if I get off topic here…

I’m pro conference.
I’m anti-balanced schedule.

I think an unbalanced schedule (through geographically determined conferences) reduces travel and the fatigue that comes with it while creating the kind of rivalries crucial for the success of any league. I understand the limitations with salary caps, available roster space, as well as available talent. I do think we should be taking the steps to allow teams to play 40-50 competitive games a calendar year, instead of 30-40. The first step towards that has to be less travel.

If you played conference opponents 1.5 times as often as non conference opponents, I think the playoffs could go back to 4 teams from each conference with no bracket crossover.

What they’ve done with balanced schedules and not adjusting the playoff seeding is pure insanity. This is the first time with a balanced schedule and we’re in this seeding mess. That is one time too many, and I have no doubt it will be fixed next year. Anytime you have a balanced schedule, seeding has to be done 1v8 and so forth, regardless of conference. I’m kind of shocked MLS didn’t see that and fix it for this year.

In ten years, I’d like to do something similar to the NFL.
Since we’re on the internet, let me dream big.
Ax conferences, create divisions.
I have a system for the post season in the 5 division format too. But this is more or less just me being bored at work.

PNW-Seattle, Portland, Vancouver, San Jose, +2 other teams
West-Los Angeles, Salt Lake, Colorado, Chivas SD (san diego), +2 other teams
SW-Dallas, Chicago, Kansas City, Houston, +2 other teams
North-Toronto, Montreal, NYRB, Columbus, +2 other teams
East-New England, D.C., Philadelphia, NY Cosmos, +2 other teams

by SaltLakeKiddy on Oct 12, 2010 5:33 PM MDT reply actions  

That's nuts.

Why set up a system where it is difficult for the best teams to make the playoffs? I understand that it would save a little on travel, but how much? I don’t think it would be worth screwing with competitive balance. For too many years bad teams have been making (and occassionally advancing in) the MLS playoffs. Going to a system that would make that likely again would be insanity.
Also, under the current system, every club gets a significant boost from big signings like Beckham and Henry. Under your system, clubs in the other conference would see them as almost irrelevant; hosting games against the superstars only once every other year or maybe even more seldom.

Personally I prefer the single table as long as a balanced schedule is feasible. Don’t think it would give ammo to the promotion/relegation yahoos. Even if it did, just keep telling them their arguments are irrelevant until they shut up.

Looking forward to FCD getting revenge on RSL for stealing our coaches a couple years back.

by fennsk1 on Oct 13, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good job

Great job there Denz! I agree with your entire post. I wish that we could just play one single table…but, seeing as SaltLakeKiddy stated our country is too big to be traveling all that much. Regional schedule would be better.
RSL needs to pull out 6 points in these last two games and hope for Dallas FC to upset LA.

Milo S

by Milo S on Oct 13, 2010 1:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Simple Fix

Seed the Eastern and Western Conference Champions #1 and #2 based on their regular season record. Every other team is seeded by regular season record regardless of conference. If playoff started today (I think I got it right):

  1. Galaxy (WC) vs. #8 Earthquakes
  2. Red Bull (EC) vs. #7 Rapids
  3. Real vs. #6 Crew
  4. FC Dallas vs. #5 Sounders

by exyank3 on Oct 18, 2010 7:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Here is something that might work!

This might be the way MLS could look 10 years from now! The West Division (Vancouver,Seattle,Portland,San Jose,Chivas USA,Los Angeles,San Diego,Phoenix,Real Salt Lake & Colorado) The Midwest (FC Dallas,Houston,San Antonio,Kansas City,St Louis,Chicago Fire,Chicago Sting,Minnesota,Milwaukee & El Paso) The Central (Toronto FC,Ottawa,Detroit,Cleveland,Columbus,Pittsburgh,Nashville,Louisville,Indianapolis,New Orleans) The East (Montreal,Philadelphia,New York Red Bull,New York Cosmos,DC United,Baltimore,Atlanta,Tampa Bay,Miami & Charlotte) Then you start the season in February until May. Then the second half of the season from August until November. That way they can have there tournaments and the FIFA World Cup in June and July. You play 40 games a year and at the end of the season the four division winners meet in the playoffs. The team with the best regular season record gets the Shield Trophy and the winner of the playoffs get the Cup. Also the first half of the season the East coast teams play the West coast teams, The second half of the season you play teams in your division and teams on your coast.

by texascool on Nov 17, 2010 1:20 AM MST reply actions  

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