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CBA and strike talk heats up in MLS

So one has to wonder why after announcing that their talks with the league and mediator are going OK and will continue that Nick Garcia stated talking strike, then out comes some results of an authorization to strike vote(which I have some questions about).  We know that the MLSPU has been tight in their control of who can talk to the media, what media they can talk to and what they are allowed to day.  Then after the genie it out of the bottle, comes this statement from MLS:

In response to comments made by players after the labor negotiations in Washington this week, MLS President Mark Abbott told the Insider on Thursday that "the meetings were productive and we have scheduled a number of additional meetings. While I can't discuss what takes place across the bargaining table, I can say that the players' comments do not accurately reflect the proposals that we have made to address the players' concerns or the productive nature of the discussions between MLS and the union."

There's more.....

Abbott also said: "We have an understanding with both the union and the mediator that we will not publicly discuss what takes place during these bargaining sessions. As such, we were disappointed to see comments from a number of players characterizing the status of the negotiations and the possibility of a strike."

Abbott declined to comment any further.

and in the hours following that statement it has gone strangely silent.  So was this a premeditated "strike" by the MLSPU?  Was this an attempt to see which way the all important fans are leaning, how would the media would react?  Would their coverage be positive or negative?

To find out check out some info after the jump:

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Ginge talks the footy is in full support of the players(as he admits he is pro-union):

Yesterday the Union took step one, with a vote that authorized the ability to strike. Should the players decide this is the route they wish to walk, there will be another vote actually authorizing the strike. Nothing to now but wait and see what happens.

Clearly he knows what he believes, but he doesn't offer up anything but blind support for the union as it is part of pro sports.  He is entitled to his opinion but I would love to see him weigh in on specific issues, he says those on the opposite side "spew useless verbal diarrhea all over the place".

ABC Action News in Tampa Bay asks "Are they Nuts":

I never thought I'd see this. Now that it was laid before me in print, there is no doubt in my mind MLS players are either very rich or very stupid.

The soccer players gave its union authorization to strike for the first time in MLS history if a new deal isn't reached.

Two words from the peanut gallery - Who cares?

Will someone please tell these nincompoops that if they strike, no one will notice, except for the 16 city's the league is comprised of.

For a guy from a city without a team, he seems to have strong opinions about where the league is and the reality that it really is still a fringe league.

Footiebusiness.com, a blog dedicated to the business end of the beautiful game, takes a quick look at the situation:

This provides the sides with a two week window to finalize a deal or face the the prospect of losing the nationally televised openers in Seattle and New York and full slate of opening week games.As these are pretty big showcase events for MLS, a strike could do real damage to the new season.

3rd Degree, a FC Dallas blog, says we are making too much out of the vote:

People that know about these things tell me that any union strikes takes two steps. First, a union has to vote to engage the ability to strike and second they then hold a vote to actually strike. This 350-2 vote is the former one. The MLS Player Union had a vote to allow themselves the ability to hold a strike if the members so chose. To make an analogy, they voted to flip the cover back on the doomsday strike button. The union gave themselves the power to hold a strike if the union membership chooses to strike.

It is clear that if the MLSPU, or just some rogue players were behind the comments and "strike vote" news getting out, the responses are about even.

I have some questions about the vote and the results, was this a paper ballot or a "raising of hands in the locker room"?, who and where were the ballots counted?  Whenever you see results in a vote that resemble those of Hugo Chavez's elections, one usually ends up with more questions than answers.  Of course I don't expect that the players or the MLSPU will respond on how "the vote" was conducted. 

We are now less than two weeks away from the start of the MLS season, or what is scheduled as the start of the MLS season.  In the next few days the future of MLS, and professional soccer in the US could either get a boost or could get yet another nail in the coffin of failure that so many other sports fans have been waiting for.

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For whatever it's worth

I’m calling some “labor” friends of mine in an attempt to get some clarification about how strike votes work. There’s a decent chance that each union can create its own rules, which means we may never know what the players actually voted on. I would think, though, that when it comes to strikes, federal law has something to say about it. I imagine they need a paper ballot, for one.

The only reason I doubt the “players didn’t vote to strike, they just authorized a strike vote” line of thinking is that the union’s statement seemed much more unambiguous.

“Recent comments from players simply reflect the fact that the players are unified and, per the results of our strike vote, will not begin the new season if a new agreement with the league is not reached,” the union said in a statement Thursday. “This is not a change in position by the union and should not be read to reflect in any way upon what has, or has not, occurred this week in the meetings with the mediator and the league.”

I’ll let you know what I find out.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 12, 2010 11:17 AM MST reply actions  

Well, Jeff Carlisle says the union can strike

This is his tweet:

JeffreyCarlisle
I asked union source if they needed to vote on strike again. He said “No.” Said power to strike is in hands of bargaining committee.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 12, 2010 11:30 AM MST reply actions  

thanks for the updates

I appreciate you checking into this, I think it was meant as a clear message from the union to owners that they are willing to strike and have no problem making that fact known.

I would still like to know how the vote was conducted, like did the union rep hand out sheets of paper with a yes or no on it to everyone in the locker room, then get them back, count them and call in the results to the union? Or was each player giving a slip of paper, drop them in an envelope which was sent to the union to count? You can see how one might get a very different result than the other. I would love to see each player be given a login and password to a secure site and allowed to vote on their own, with the votes going directly to the union. This would allow each player to vote according to their own beliefs, and would eliminate “peer” pressure.

I am not saying that happened, or would happen, but with the national debate over the EFCA (Employee Free Choice Act), how people join and vote in unions is under a great deal of scrutiny.

by denz on Mar 12, 2010 11:37 AM MST reply actions  

You're right...

What I know of EFCA is it has more to do with how unions are formed than how the conduct business. I don’t know how much the NLRB gets involved in how unions actually operate. I have a feeling, with that kind of unity, this was pretty informal — either a show of hands or putting a group of guys in a room, handing out ballots and the union rep reporting the results. Basically, I think the union members said they trusted the bargaining committee to do what was best. Whether they abide by their decision — you can bet MLS will be screaming to the rafters that the bargaining committee isn’t acting in the best interests of the players — is a separate issue.

Still haven’t heard back from my labor sources, btw.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t really think this strike vote is legitimate. There hasn’t been an official union announcement that I would assume would take place with such a vote. Also, the 350 or 383-2 vote seems pretty unrealistic. Would the DP types really care whether or not a CBA exists? I don’t think so.

Also, I don’t think the players that the union are sending out to talk are the right players. Players like Nick Garcia in terms of profile, are small and I’m not sure if what they say really represents what everyone believes. Plus, what they articulate is very short on specifics and essentially meaningless. Saying things like “we just want what everybody else wants” could mean any number of things, which makes their message meaningless.

Some things need to be changed (ie a bump in the minimum salary, etc), but the players could strike until hell freezes over and they still wouldn’t get everything they want. The money does not exist right now to support some of their demands. Maybe in 10 years when all teams are able to turn a profit, but right now its just not realistic.I really hope some sort of compromise is worked out in the next couple of weeks and that we can finally just get back to focusing on soccer.

My unfocused, unknowledgeable .02.

by mrieck on Mar 12, 2010 4:28 PM MST reply actions  

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