RSL's Javier Morales issued a retroactive red card for foul in Seattle Match
So hot from the MLS league offices comes the latest in things that make me scratch my head:
Major League Soccer Disciplinary Committee Fines and Suspends Real Salt Lake Midfielder Javier Morales
NEW YORK (September 13, 2010) - The Major League Soccer Disciplinary Committee today issued a fine and one-game suspension to Real Salt Lake midfielder Javier Morales for actions taken against Seattle Sounders FC midfielder Osvaldo Alonso in the Salt Lake versus Seattle game on Saturday, September 11th.
The unsportsmanlike action which endangered the safety of his opponent was not seen by the officiating crew and Morales did not receive any discipline during the match. After reviewing the incident, the MLS Disciplinary Committee decided that the action constituted a red card offense and Morales should be suspended for one game and fined $250. Morales will serve his suspension during Salt Lake's next League game on September 18th against the Chicago Fire.
Fines collected are donated to MLS W.O.R.K.S., Major League Soccer's community outreach initiative dedicated to addressing important social issues affecting young people and serves as a platform for both League and club philanthropic programs. MLS W.O.R.K.S. seeks to establish Major League Soccer as a leader for improving the lives of people through sport. For more information visit the website at www.MLSsoccer.com/works.
So I am wondering if they are going to do things like this, why didn't they go back and review the horrible calls in the RSL vs. Houston match that gave them PK attempts while greater fouls in the area committed against RSL resulted in no call? or how about that horrible call of taking Will Johnson's goal off the score board against the Crew? I mean where is the line drawn? Is there a punishment for the officiating crew for missing something that is now deemed to have been "red card" worthy?
I guess I am just a bit confused about what is re-viewable and why, clearly a missed "red card" offense needs to be addressed but if the league can use replay and review of these non-calls, then why would then not correct clear mistakes that are made in other area's of the match? Is there further review of the original foul by Alonso, or only of the retaliation by Javier Morales?
The shame of it is that RSL will be missing a key player in a huge match as they fight for the top spot in the Western Conference and keep themselves in the race for the Supporters' Shield. It was a stupid move by Javier to put him self at risk, but I am left wondering who at MLS makes these decisions on what is and isn't reviewed? Just in looking at a photo of the "foul in question" on the MLS Site and other pictures from the night only adds to my confusion.
OFF MY SOAPBOX
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i'll see if I can get the presentation from the Supporters Summit
This isn’t new. They review every match on video
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But if they are are only reviewing missed fouls, what is the real point?
I know they review matches, and I get the call in this case, but after the fact it makes little difference to the final outcome. So what about those calls that impact the results of matches? If they are going to use “4-day” review on issues like this, then how in the world can anyone oppose “instant replay” on goals? Now as I sit back as a fan, I would say the punishment should be on the officials who clearly missed the retaliation of Morales, how were the officials not paying attention when they had just called the foul on Alonso?
Punishing players after the fact for bad behavior is something I can agree with, I actually would love a major change to the rules. I would like it more if Javier were unable to play in the next RSL vs Seattle match, this would make sense but the miss the next game provides only punitive punishment to the offender and nothing for the team impacted by the offense.
Lame
Don’t understand this. This is like the only time I’ve seen this happen. The most fouled player in MLS is the one that gets suspended. Great guys – makes perfect sense.
no the only time
While Javi is one of the most fouled players in the league he tends to commit a fair share as well. It isn’t the first time that MLS has reviewed a match and issues punishments, I just wish that if they are going to second guess things the officials missed that they would do it on both sides.
So the Landin dive in Houston that won a PK and his team the match should have been reviewed and he should have been suspended. The taking of Will Johnson’s goal against Columbus off the scoreboard for a wrong offside call, shouldn’t that be reviewed and RSL given the 1-1 draw?
There should be balance in this type of review or no review at all.
Retro active punishments happen about every third week
but at this time, only for dangerous play, not for simulation (though that does happen in Scotland and Australia), and no where for offside (seattle had would be + 3 based on admitted offside wrong calls)
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But then why
I mean if they are doing this to correct bad behavior of players, why not the bad behavior of officials? It seems a very subjective thing when they review matches for just one thing, and often one that didn’t impact play in the match and then punish a player for their wrong doing by making them suffer a punishment against a totally different team than the one the offense was committed against.
I simply am asking why? This seems like the right thing to do, but if they are doing it because it is the right thing to do, shouldn’t they be doing everything they can to “correct” mistakes made the impact the final results?
Dude, stop and listen to yourself for a second
If FIFA, MLS, and other leagues have taught us anything, it’s that, under no circumstances, will they review a game and decide to change the outcome of the game. This is not special to soccer either. Take a look at Super Bowl XL for example. It’s mildly humorous that you have to go all the way back to the April 1st RSL-Houston game to find a league match with a call worth crying about. As a Sounders fan, this is a weekly occurence. I don’t have to go back past Thursday to find something. RSL got a penalty shot (which “US national player” Robbie Findley failed on) but moments later Alvaro Fernandez was pushed down from behind in the box and no call was made, no penalty was given. If I bitched about every one of these missed calls, I’d never sleep.
Your crying about the RSL-Houston game demonstrates a severe lack of thinking though. How do you propose they fix it? Take away one of Houston’s goals and declare the match a tie? Would that make you happy? Should we replay every match with a questionable call that affects the outcome of the game? Get ready to double the length of the season then. It’s easy to cry about something that’s not fair in sports. It’s a lot harder to propose a legitimate solution that isn’t equally unfair.
Moving on, this type of review is not intended to review every decision made by the referee. It’s to ensure that jerk offs like Morales don’t think they can knee a guy in the nuts and get away with it even if the ref didn’t see it. Morales committed a red card offense and he’s getting a red card level suspension and fine. MLS is experimenting with these types of reviews, and I for one totally support it. If players think they can get away with this crap when it’s done behind the referee’s back, then something needs to be done about it. I’m really glad MLS is willing to experiment like this. The sooner cheap shot artists like Morales are forced to change their ways, the better.
For completeness, I should point out that there is indeed a review of referee decisions each week as well, but that is not done with the intent of overturning game results, but rather for referee education and improvement. I whole heartedly support this as well. If a game has an unfair call, we need to learn from that. I don’t think we should attempt to reverse these mistakes after they’ve happened, but focusing on not repeating them is a noble effort.
If the World Cup taught us anything it’s that referees can make mistakes (very bad mistakes sometimes) but teams need to suck it up when that happens and keep playing. The world is not fair, especially not in sports. If you’re going to complain about mistakes referees make (way back in April) then at least propose a fair solution rather than sitting in the corner and crying about it.
You are making my point
Funny, but that is exactly my point. If they aren’t going to review the things in matches that matter and impact the result, how is going back and trying to second guess the official on what appears to be a foul on the tape of the match doing something good?
Cheap shot artist like Morales, you mean the player who has been fouled the 2nd most in MLS, while Seattle has Montero on that list, it is interesting that Seattle has two players on the most fouls committed list (sure it would be three if Alonso hadn’t missed so many matches). There is no doubt he made a stupid move, but if you think I need to go back to Houston or Columbus you would be wrong, but those are both classic examples of blatant bad calls that impacted results of matches.
The weekly review by US Soccer is a good thing, but can you honestly say after 3 plus years of their program that the officiating has improved? Should the officials who missed this foul (and it was a foul) be disciplined the same way by missing a match and being fined?
My point is simple, if we are going to go back and re-watch matches to look for things that should have been caught then do it all or what is the point of trying to selectively enforce some rules post match.
It is kinda funny that this “horrid” foul didn’t result in injury or Alonso missing a second of playing time. So was it a motion with minimal impact, and seen by the official but waved off as not significant. I mean you would think a knee to the groin would have at least put him on the ground for a couple minutes. So what might look one way on video tape could very well be something else, as we have seen in all kinds of situations across the gambit of sports.
I really do laugh, you say
If the World Cup taught us anything it’s that referees can make mistakes (very bad mistakes sometimes) but teams need to suck it up when that happens and keep playing. The world is not fair, especially not in sportsthat is my point exactly, keep playing, why try to go back and fix somethings afterwards when it didn’t impact the result of the match, and much worse things that do impact matches aren’t changed. Seems pointless and I think such reviews are silly, unless there is a real injury caused by the action. In this case there clearly wasn’t.
Singing a different song denz?
From your comment on a Dynamo Theory post…
TH14 should actually go for 3 games because of the stupid nature of what he did, but I expect nothing from MLS who have moved their slobbering love affair from Seattle to New York in large part due to TH14.
This comment blows me away. Less than a week ago you were over here crying about all the problems with suspending players for something the referee didn’t catch. Now suddently you’re not only a proponent of it, but also asserting that it’s an obvious league bias if they don’t. The hypocracy you’re displaying is staggering. I’m speachless.
You know what would be awesome?
If they did this with CONCACAF games. 2/3 of the Arabe Unido team would be suspended for blatant douchery.
Just to clarify
I don’t believe that MLS should be going back and second guessing their officials and handing out punishments to players for things the officials miss. The only exception would be if all 4 officials miss something that causes an injury to a player.
I have watched the incident in question and while the move to “knee” Alonso in retaliation for the foul committed against him just second earlier was a stupid move by Javi, but the reality is that appears that any contact was very, light as it caused no real reaction from Alonso, it didn’t cause him to fall down, it didn’t cause him to leave the match, and it didn’t impact his ability to cover Morales on the set piece.
It is funny that just seconds later Alonso clearly kicks Andy Williams in the ankle but no call is made during the match (it was off the ball) and no secondary punishment has been issued to him.
This is clearly an over reaction by MLS, who failed to look at the impact of the foul on the match, just as the official failed to issue the yellow card for the foul on Morales that was late and easily could have gotten Alonso a yellow.
trying to second guess every decision is not what I am suggesting, just saying if MLS is going to selectively go back and chose plays to review, then they better open that can of worms the full way and be subject to that issue, because choosing and picking what to review simply looks a bit fishy to me.
Its lame, but
Javi needs a rest anyway.
My problem with these after the fact reviews: where is Alonso’s punishment? No? You mean its OK to consistently foul a player throughout a game, and only the resposne from the fouled player gets punished?
Come on, watch the Sounders. He does it game in and game out. Its his game. Its tactical, it should always be yellow carded. If the official did his job, Alonso would have seen red well before Javi reacted.

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