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Major League Soccer's Team #20, the big 3 (New York, Miami, and yes Las Vegas)

So for me I really believe there are 3 cities that Major League Soccer has to consider for their 20th team, and will all respect to "the Don" it is about a lot more than a "fake" rival for the Red Bulls.  For me this is the point at which MLS will need to stop expanding for a couple years, and has been mentioned by others, consider relocation of some teams that are struggling (that list should be smaller as KC gets a new stadium this year, and Colorado and Dallas are coming off appearances in MLS Cup 2010).

So what does team #20 mean to MLS, for me it needs to be a big splash, great PR and a city that begs for fans to go there for away matches (we have too few destinations in MLS-including my Salt Lake).  Road trips to San Jose, Dallas, KC, Colorado, Portland, New England, and many other markets just appeal to a small percentage of the teams fans. Team #20 should change that and my big 3 all have that potential, Miami, New York, and Las Vegas, each of which is a world class destination, each of which could play hosts to MLS events like the All Star Match, MLS Cup, and each could support large world class friendlies.  Flights to these markets are easy to get, and usually not too expensive, each offers a selection of hotels and night life for fans, and each could become a "destination road trip" for any fans from hardcore supporter groups, to the casual fan on a family trip.

So after the jump I will look at each of them in depth:

Star-divide

So let's start with what might be the most logical move for MLS to make, a return to the Southeast and Miami. A former home to MLS, and current home of the D2 Miami FC, some like me believe that Miami had their chance and honestly blew it.  

Then last summer came the talk that FC Barcelona as interested in starting a MLS team and that they were looking at Miami as the location of that team.  This of course would change most peoples opinions of the league returning to Miami, it of course didn't really deal with the SSS issue, which is a core issue for any location wanting to get a MLS team.  When that fell through the talk stopped about Miami, and recently while attending the MLS Combine, "the Don" scheduled a meeting with the "throngs" of Miami fans that send him emails all the time telling him how the league must return to their city.

Flash forward to the actual meeting and how not to impress the leader of a league that you want to come to your city, have 60 people show uphaving your local online media get upset before the meetingdon't complain about things with your current team that you don't support, instead show up in numbers at Miami FC events, hold a huge watch party for the next USMNT event, and stop playing the victim.  

So now with Barcelona saying no to Miami, and "the Don" saying get your act together, they are now going to pin the hopes on David Beckham.  Yes you heard me a wildcard in the mix is LA Galaxy player David Beckham, see when "goldenballs" came to MLS one of the many conditions was that he would be allowed to buy a franchise (perhaps #20) but it appears the condition is that it can't be in LA or New York.  Of course they may not be the only city looking to capture the interest of Beck's.  Once again All Things Footy have a great thought on this topic:

This will not be easy. In fact, I'd say a South Florida team might be the biggest challenge MLS will have to face.

All Things Footy

So I have made it kinda clear with previous posts, that I am not a fan of New York City getting a second team (yeah, I know the Red Bulls play in New Jersey, blah, blah, blah - you guys sound like the pro/rel people).  Yes I understand that "the Don" believes that after a new stadium, 3 DP's and more league PR than anyone else since Seattle, that what might finally make the Red Bulls sell out matches would be a cross river rival.  

Good god, someone buy that man a clue.  I get the history, I see that they can market in London, and the Middle East, but until they have real plans for a real stadium, they can kiss the idea of a real team good bye.  Sure there would be some attention paid to the "New" New York Cosmos, and then when they struggle on the pitch that attention would require Pele doing autograph signings after each match, that means both at home and on the road. I thought perhaps the best ideas for the Cosmos came this weekend out of south Florida, they should join division 2 of US Soccer, where there is no cap on payroll and they can do whatever it is they like.  Of course the contention that MLS needs the Cosmos is just plain funny, the newness goes away very quickly in MLS, just ask most teams how many extra tickets they sell when Beckham comes to town?  From sellouts the first year, to just minor bumps anymore.  TH14 will find the same thing this year as the "wow" factor just isn't long lasting in MLS, and the Cosmos let people who want to go back to the NASL of the 70's just don't understand that it isn't going to happen.

New York is a wonderful market, and I would say to them the same thing that "the Don" said to fans in Miami, support the team you already have and then we can talk.  When $200 million plus on a new stadium, and 3 DP's can get you barely 1,000 more fans per average at home than RSL, there is a bit of an issue.  Oh I know the Red Bulls play in New Jersey, blah, blah, and a team in Queens would do so much better, blah, blah.  Proof is in the pudding, and the reality is that nobody in the current ownership of the Cosmos can afford the expansion fee, let alone come up with the money to build a stadium, so when they have $250 million in the bank then I will pay attention.  Of course New York does have other suitors as well, but the Wilpons bid now looks weaker as they cut payroll and sell of an interest in the Mets, but there is a lot of money in New York the question is does it care about Major League Soccer?

So all of this leads me to a pipe dream, Las Vegas.  It should be simple for most fans of MLS to jump behind the efforts of bringing MLS to Las Vegas, there simply is no better place for an annual road trip, or MLS Cup?  Now they have had efforts in the past, they tried to bid for a team in 2007 led by Mark Noorzai and the Las Vegas Sports & Entertainment Group.  They had lined up the $35 million dollar expansion fee, and had an investor group with a net worth in the billions lined up behind an very ambitious $500 million dollar retractable roof stadium. Then the phone didn't ring, and despite Mark Abbot's comments:

MLS President Mark Abbott, who oversees expansion, said the realistic timetable for the construction of a stadium is 18 months, so awarding a franchise to a particular group or city isn't a pressing issue.

Speaking from his New York office Wednesday afternoon, Abbott declined to comment about any prospective ownership group or proposal.

"It's fair to say that Las Vegas is a market that's interesting to us," he said. "We think it would be very supportive of professional soccer, so it's a market we're looking at."

Las Vegas Sun

Then in 2008 the same group tried to purchase the Columbus Crew with the intention of moving them to Las Vegas for the 2011 season, but those plans never amounted to much and no proposal was ever submitted to MLS. Then the talk stopped for a long time, but then just a few weeks ago up popped @MLSinVegas in Twitter.  That lead me to find out that a small group are trying to get the bandwagon moving again and now it involves a designer (Joshua A. Boren) from the firm of Aedas (which has built some incredible projects) and some others but so far it hasn't involved Mr. Noorzai.  They have some good ideas, but they need to find out if the economic issues that likely killed Mark's efforts after 2008.

Now unlike the other cities, I am going to let those working on the Las Vegas bid on how to make their dream (and mine) come true.  1st, take over the Silver State Arena Project convert it to a retractable roof outdoor stadium and up the seating to 30-35,000.  This will stop a lot of the protests and lawsuits of those who don't want to compete with it as an indoor venue and the expected cost was already heading towards $750 million, you can cut that down and still get a world class venue.  The location is primed and ready to go, if your bankroll guys want a casino too, no problem one is halfway build right next door. The Fontainebleau is just waiting for someone to finish it.

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In all of the United States is there a more perfect location for a true iconic stadium for the Beautiful game?  It would quickly become the venue of choice for all international teams coming to the US, it would be perfect as the home for MLS Cup, All Star Game, World Cup Qualifiers, and just about every match you could ever imagine.  Las Vegas is already a destination for visitors to the US, now it could become a world wide soccer destination. Remember the idea of playing an EPL match in the US, where better.  I could probably find 5 kit sponsors in a week willing to pony up to be on that kit, perfect location for TV, and imagine the tie in events you could do.  See Cher after the Vegas AC vs. LA Galaxy match, heck you might even get nationwide TV for something like that.

Oh the possibilities are endless and that is what makes it clear in my mind that the time is now for the parties that want to make this happen to step up.  Yeah the economy is still recovering, but this is Vegas and even in the bad time it is the only city other than New York that can say it never sleeps.  

The step that needs to be taken next is for those who have the money but need to prove the concept to "the Don" and others is to spend some money, get an office in Vegas, take a page from the Cosmos' and design a kit (with Adidas- a MLS partner), talk with potential jersey sponsors, get a website going, host watching parties around town to show the interest (use the World Cup US vs England numbers as justification).  This isn't going to happen by itself and if guys like @MLSinVegas want to be taken seriously, then get off the pot and get on the job.  Oh and call David Beckham, he holds the keys to a franchise and his wife loves to shop and he would love Vegas.

Now should the New York bid (whichever one "the Don" likes best) get team #20 and it likely will, then the folks in Vegas need to get their act together because I don't see Chivas staying in LA if other markets come calling with a state of the art stadium.

Well after all of that, you know now my opinion on just about every potential market MLS could be looking at and nothing would make me happier than Vegas being team #20 and the Cosmos returning to the NASL.

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Good read

I think Vegas would probably be the best place to land a team. But at the same time, why has none other professional sports teams (NFL, NBA, MLB) landed in Vegas? With that being said, though, I think the support would be amazing since there is no other team to support there. Plus, like you said, tons to do before and after the game.

P.S.

They should call themselves the Las Vegas Strippers.

by Javi Hernandez on Feb 1, 2011 5:48 PM MST reply actions  

Easy

gambling, enough up roar was caused when the Maloofs built the Palms, and had to take the Kings off their board. MLB, NFL, even the NHL all get lots of action. Major League soccer, doesn’t. So when you consider that a team in Vegas would have to be “off the boards” like UNLV games are, in some sports that could kill 10% of that leagues action for the day or week, which can be millions and millions of dollars. I am willing to wager that not a million dollars is gambled on MLS all season.

I am going to stick with Vegas AC or FC Vegas, but I have to imagine a red and black striped kit might be needed(with just a little green spot).

by denz on Feb 1, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

AC...

Just to be “that guy” wouldnt it be AC Vegas, not Vegas AC?

If you are going to copy a big Euro team, at least do it properly.

by 15to32 on Feb 2, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

South Florida is the way to go.
There were only 60 people in the meeting because that is all that MLS told us we could take, they didn’t want us to take more as they said they had limited space.
The Miami Fusion were on their way up in attendance 2001 and the actual reason they closed was because the owner didn’t have the money to keep running the team.
The Ft Lauderdale Strikers were a success and only closed down because NASL folded.
Miami FC hasn’t been run well and Div 2 is a hard sell in town full of knowledgeable soccer fans who would rather support their team back home then a team of unknowns. Bring MLS with Star players and you will see a full stadium. We have a SSS in Lockhart Stadium. A little fixing up and we are set to go. http://www.mlsmiamibid.com/

by Uncle Ed on Feb 1, 2011 8:44 PM MST reply actions  

A couple points on NY
  • When you hear ‘New York’, you think ‘Cosmos.’ When Don Garber says ‘New York,’ he means ‘New York.’
  • The standing of MLS in the New York market affects the perception of the league nationwide in a way does not. Our disliking this truth (I personally dislike it) does not make it less true. MLS wants another NY as much because of the Red Bulls’ lack of performance as in spite of it.
  • As to the Red Bulls performance, I just don’t get how anyone thinks that’s about the market and not about the team (whether that be location, historical performance, historically bad venue situation, operational discontinuity and incompetence, or what have you). Greater NYC has around 20 Million people and probably more soccer appetite per capita than all but a few other US cities.

'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'

by Sgc on Feb 2, 2011 8:43 AM MST reply actions  

So putting another team there does what?

I am sorry you semi-valid point that a successful team in New York is important to MLS has nothing to do with the fact that putting another team there would accomplish that goal. The current Red Bulls are being run by one of the smartest companies on the planet, so complaints about the past are simply no longer valid.

They have a brand new state of the art stadium that is the jewel of MLS and can hold 25,000 people
They have two of the biggest names ever to play in MLS in Henry and Marquez
They have made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, including one appearance in MLS Cup

And still they can barely out draw Salt Lake City by 1,200 per match.

When I hear New York, I think Yankees not Cosmos, I don’t think of a team that hasn’t played in 3 decades. Now the appeal of Pele and some big names is one thing but none of that means that any new team in New York would perform any better. Good god MLS has changed the rules multiple times in the last 3 years to try and get LA to win a title and it still hasn’t happened, so unless they are going to remove the salary cap (not going to happen) and turn rosters over to teams (not going to happen), there is not a single thing they can do to ensure a new team in New York would be any more successful than the Red Bulls.

As you say there are 20 million people and currently they can’t get 20,000 to show up to Red Bull matches on a regular basis, there is no advantage to the league in general by placing another team in New York when there are entire geographic regions of the US without a single team (Southeast and Southwest). Since “the Don” started his campaign for NY2, he has said it is about creating a rival for the Red Bulls, So who is the biggest rival of the Yankees? How about the Jets or Giants? Who is the biggest rival of the Knicks? The Red Bulls have rivals, my god they have 4 teams within a couple hour drive, so adding a 5th isn’t going to accomplish anything more.

This is about Ego, and little more.

by denz on Feb 2, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry

that was a bit of a rant, even for me.

by denz on Feb 2, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

It's about money

We can probably all agree that putting a second team in NY is not what most MLS fans want. But if New York owners are promising to put a stadium in the city and are willing to pay $50-75M to get the rights, MLS would be crazy to go almost anywhere else. Putting a stadium in the city would give MLS a marketing tool that would be impossible to buy. I agree that I’d rather go somewhere else on a roadie, but this is not about what city offers the best road trip possibility.

Speaking of money, the thing that makes Las Vegas go is visitors, not locals. If you’re looking for a reason that no pro team has ever made a serious effort to move to Vegas, it’s at least partly because no one believes locals will fill up the stadiums.

That said, you may want to take a look at these renderings. It looks like if a stadium is going to be built in Vegas, it’s going to be on the UNLV campus.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 2, 2011 11:11 PM MST up reply actions  

yes and no

You have to remember that that Vegas is home to a metro area of just under 2 million people, new football stadium on campus is a different project (with way more issues) than the Silver State Arena project (which is currently an indoor facility at the location I noted) but various groups are threatening lawsuits against the city for financing it saying it is direct competition to their venues, which is why I suggested that the group wanting to bring MLS there work with the SSA group to modify their plans to a outdoor stadium, I don’t see UNLV or anyone embracing the redevelopment of the UNLV campus into a multi use property with bars and businesses on campus.

The issues really haven’t been local support but league have worried about corruption because of gambling, and the casinos have worried about losing 5-10% of their action in any particular league that comes in. Since there is so little betting on MLS, the potential of both of those issues is really not a risk at all.

I agree the league would be silly to turn down a city with a great stadium plan, and owners with enough money to pay for both a stadium and the franchise fee, but if multiple cities put together real bids then I would chose New York last of the big 3 that I named. I would suggest if MLS needs help marketing, they fire “the Don” from SUM and hire someone who will do more than pimp the Mexican National team. They have had a team in New York since the start and done nothing to use it as a marketing tool, they just want an easy out “the Cosmos” provide that and clearly are better at marketing with a little budget than anyone at MLS is with a larger one.

The issue in Vegas is lining up the money to do anything, the city has been hammered by the recession worse than most, which is why the Mayor was pushing the SSA idea as job creation, and has approved methods of paying for the vast majority of the project (almost $900 million), while the UNLV project hasn’t even gotten permission from the school for an actual feasibility study yet. Heck I would be happy if they get it, the plans look like it could easily host soccer events as well.

by denz on Feb 3, 2011 7:35 AM MST up reply actions  

An Interesting thought

So at RSL practice today we got talking about the expansion teams, and here is a perspective I hadn’t thought about that impacts both a Vegas and Miami bid. Both are cities known for some of the hottest nightlifes in the US, and that has a huge impact on players. The temptations of late nights out in the clubs that are open until it is often time for players to head to practice can be a huge challenge for players and teams. I do think no matter where you live you have to always have some boundaries and rules but that is clearly something that potential investors in both markets have to consider.

by denz on Feb 4, 2011 2:07 PM MST reply actions  

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