Dear MLS and ESPN, there are more than 3 teams in Major League Soccer
So today the schedule for Major League Soccer came out, as did the schedule of matches being covered by ESPN (you can see the list after the jump)
So in 2010 New York, Seattle, and the LA Galaxy accounted for 19 of the matches broadcast by ESPN2. Of course this strategy saw MLS ratings drop 12% last year on the network:
The league's main TV partner, ESPN2, averaged just 249,000 viewers for its 25 MLS games this season, down 12.3 percent from the previous year.
So how do you build on blockbuster numbers like that, easy you do the same exact thing again in 2011. I swear someone once said stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. Yes lead by 8 appearances by the New York Red Bulls, 6 for the LA Galaxy, and 5 for the Sounders those 3 teams will again appear 19 times on ESPN2. Considering that there are 18 teams, and ESPN2 is scheduled to cover 21 matches, that means there are a total of 42 "spots" available and almost 1/2 are taken by 3 teams.
Meanwhile the last 3 teams to win MLS Cup (Columbus, RSL, and Colorado) will be on the network a total of 3 times in 2011. The winner of the 2010 MVP award (David Ferreira of FC Dallas) won't be on once, he is beat out by Chris Wondolowski (the 2010 Golden Boot winner) who will be on once (against the Red Bulls). How about the guy who will be the all time leading scorer in MLS history? Nope Jeff Cunningham isn't scheduled to appear as the Columbus Crew, join FC Dallas, Toronto FC, and Vancouver to not be featured at all on ESPN.
more after the jump:
So yesterday Brian Straus of soccer.fanhouse.com was trying to make a case for why nobody watched MLS Cup last year, his contention was that it was due to the fact that the MLS Playoffs are broke:
The popularity of the World Cup proved there is an appetite in the U.S. for meaningful soccer. But networks are going to be reluctant to spend money and promotional resources on MLS as long as it struggles to deliver a compelling product that drives ratings.
That's where the playoff format (or lack thereof) comes in. The crushing anticlimax that was November's MLS Cup Final (the ratings were abysmal, down 44%, and the BMO Field stands half empty when Pablo Mastroeni lifted the trophy) was all the proof that should be needed that the league doesn't determine a champion in a manner that captivates fans.
and while I tend to agree that the MLS playoffs have issues that should be addressed (we disagree on how to do that), I would offer up that the ratings were so low because casual fans (if they just watched the ESPN2 matches during the season) knew little about either team, who their players were, or any of the storylines. Why, because the two teams in MLS Cup were featured a huge once by ESPN2 during the 2010 season.
So I contend that you don't build soccer fans out of casual sports fans by showing them the same thing each week, if so then they would only every show the Yankees vs Red Sox and screw all the other baseball teams. Now I understand that you want to showcase big markets, and big names, but at what cost? Do you sacrifice the rest of the league in order to do so? Well when 3 teams make up almost 50% of what you expose to the national TV market, you do just that.
Nobody gets a chance to see Casey and Cummings, the top scoring duo in MLS, because you are to busy pimping Henry and Angel. Nobody gets to see Wondolowski because you will only show Buddle, nobody becomes a Ferreira fan because you only show Landycakes. Nobody gets to see the Newcomer of the Year, Alvaro Saborio, because you spend all your time talking about David Beckham.
You don't allow the actual play on the field to make the stars, you try to force people to accept who you say are the stars. MLS and ESPN2 have become common pimps, pushing everyone towards their "stars", while the real stars get left to fight for a little TV time. You wonder why the best and brightest of MLS are running away from the league as fast as they can, because unless the the league spends more time promoting who they want to be the stars of this league than those who are.
I have to imagine that the frustration Don Garber showed at the 2010 MLS Cup, and his wanting to change the playoff format is because for all his "pimping" of these big name DP's to come into the league as "saviors" not one of them has lifted the MLS Cup.
I love the sport of soccer, I love MLS, but when they continue to do things like this, I wonder why do I continue to care? Fans have voiced their frustrations for years, but it too often seems like nobody is listening. I heard "the Don" speak to fans in Seattle at MLS Cup about embracing the Supporters culture, since that is where the league will grow. Well Don, what message did you and ESPN2 send to the fans in Toronto, Vancouver, Columbus, Dallas, San Jose, Kansas City, New England, Salt Lake, and Colorado? Their teams account for just 8 total appearances on ESPN2, and the only reason Chivas USA is on their twice is because you are covering their matches with the Galaxy.
You just told the fans of over half your league that they and their teams don't matter to you. That is how you think you are going to grow this league. I tell you what put another damn team in New York, and eliminate the 8 times you show matches involving those 9 teams. You wonder why FSC laughed in your face when you asked for 20 million dollars, why Versus wouldn't return your calls. Well Don it is simple, despite the best efforts of the fans and the teams, you can't provide the leadership that the league needs anymore. You are stuck in yesterday, you don't understand things like twitter or facebook, because you can't paint a dollar sign on them, but both directly impact your bottom line. You were exactly what MLS needed 10 years ago, but you are far from what it needs today.
So, here is the list of the matches that MLS and ESPN decided to feature on ESPN2 this year:
- Tue, March 15 9:30 pm Seattle Sounders vs. LA Galaxy ESPN/Deportes
- Sat, April 9 7:00 pm Philadelphia Union vs. New York Red Bulls ESPN2/Deportes
- Thu, April 14 11:00 pm Portland Timbers vs. Chicago Fire ESPN2/Deportes
- Thu, April 21 8:00 pm D.C. United vs. New York Red Bulls ESPN2/Deportes
- Sat, May 7 11:00 pm LA Galaxy vs. New York Red Bulls ESPN2/Deportes
- Sat, May 14 11:00 pm Seattle Sounders vs. Portland Timbers ESPN2/Deportes
- Sat, May 21 10:00 pm Chivas USA vs. LA Galaxy ESPN2/Deportes
- Thu, June 9 10:00 pm Sporting Kansas City vs. Chicago Fire ESPN2/Deportes
- Thu, June 23 10:00 pm Seattle Sounders vs. New York Red Bulls ESPN2/Deportes
- Sun, June 26 2:00 pm Chicago Fire vs. New York Red Bulls ESPN/Deportes
- Sat, July 2 10:30 pm San Jose Earthquakes vs. New York Red Bulls ESPN2/Deportes
- Sun, July 3 9:00 pm Colorado Rapids vs. Houston Dynamo ESPN2/Deportes
- Mon, July 4 8:30 pm Real Salt Lake vs. New England Revolution ESPN2/Deportes
- Mon, July 4 10:30 pm LA Galaxy vs. Seattle Sounders ESPN2/Deportes
- Sun, July 10 5:00 pm Portland Timbers vs. Seattle Sounders ESPN/Deportes
- Wed, July 27 8:30 pm MLS All-Star Game TBD
- Thu, August 18 9:00 pm Chicago Fire vs. D.C. United ESPN2/Deportes
- Sun, August 28 7:00 pm New York Red Bulls vs. LA Galaxy ESPN2/Deportes
- Thu, September 29 8:00 pm Philadelphia Union vs. D.C. United ESPN2/Deportes
- Fri, October 14 10:30 pm Colorado Rapids vs. Real Salt Lake ESPN2/Deportes
- Sun, October 16 9:00 pm LA Galaxy vs. Chivas USA ESPN/Deportes
- Thu, October 20 8:00 pm New York Red Bulls vs. Philadelphia Union ESPN2/Deportes
No this isn't about RSL only being on ESPN2 once, it is about the fact that the league has to realize they have simply sent a horrible message to over half their teams and their fans.
I am sure I have upset a number of people with my rant, but damn it, this is my soapbox and while many of you will never say so, you feel the exact same way I do but for some reason refuse to say it.
OFF MY SOAPBOX
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well put, and I will say it and already did (but on oshans article)
I thought it was pretty dumb too. I mean like 6 teams aren’t on national tv, in english at least. Pretty lame. Hope there’s better ratings soely for the leagues sake, but that it changes for the other teamss sake
A sky of blue, a sea of green...(or claret)
I dunno how I feel
whatever creates better ratings is what I am for at this point. I just want the league to keep growing. I think the MLS cup final will always suffer when two smaller media market teams are in the final. Same thing happens in every other sport. 2010 WS suffered b/c it was SF and Texas instead of NY/Bos/Phil.
Win or lose, we will always be here for you.
by johnjahafanclub on Feb 10, 2011 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
Better Ratings
So how would you expect 19 appearance by New York, LA, and Seattle to get better ratings in 2011 than 19 appearances by those same 3 teams in 2010?
Other sports have a lot more matches on National TV, other sports are a lot more established, and no other sport features 3 teams in half of their national broadcasts. I am tired of watching LA and New York every week, there is more to MLS than the overpaid names that MLS is pimping. I am glad that Landon has finally gotten a DP contract, he deserves it as the best player in MLS over the last 5 years, but Beckham has done nothing on the pitch and if MLS stopped talking about him, nobody would care. Yes Th14 should make a big splash this year, but my god he isn’t 1/3 of the league and his team has no business being shown that often.
I'm not a TV expert
but I’ve heard some people suggest the WC hurt MLS TV ratings… more casual fans kind of got their fill of soccer from the WC and tuned out of MLS… I don’t know if it’s true or not. No way to verify it statistically.
How much more variety was there in the 2009 broadcasts?
Win or lose, we will always be here for you.
by johnjahafanclub on Feb 11, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
FSC
You should keep in mind, before you get too far out on the ledge, that we have not yet seen the FSC slate of games. It may well be that RSL, FC Dallas, Colorado, etc. will feature in more of these than the big market teams you so detest.
FSC sucks balls dude
vast majority of MLS fans do not get it in HD b/c barely any cable companies carry its HD feed
I wish they could work out a deal with versus to broadcast some games
Win or lose, we will always be here for you.
by johnjahafanclub on Feb 10, 2011 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
FSC is national in name only
You only have to look at how many homes ESPN2 is in vs. FSC to understand the difference between the two. ESPN2 is in 99 million plus homes, while FSC is in only 36 million
Yes I realize that
Just saying that ESPN is not the only outlet showing games nationally. You seem to lay this at Don Garber’s door, while I suspect that he has very little say in which games ESPN selects. I mean have you watched ESPN’s baseball coverage lately? Yankees-Red Sox wall to wall.
As one of the tiny number [snark] of RBNY season ticket holders I’d be perfectly happy to see ESPN select games from other teams that I can DVR and watch later.
by Matthew Conroy on Feb 10, 2011 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
I would be more worried
If “the Don” didn’t have some level of influence over the decisions. You don’t have a partnership with someone who makes all the decisions on their own. Yes the Yankees- Red Sox get great coverage but they don’t account for 1/2 of all the baseball games on the network.
This isn’t a hit on New York or their fans, I simply think if you want people to become fans of MLS then you have to showcase MLS, not just a couple teams. I love watching matches from Seattle, more because the are often good matches than listening to the crowd in the background. I have to believe fans want to watch good matches, and want some variety, instead of having to watch just 3 teams over and over again.
For once in my life, I'll be an optimist...
… and simply say that at least we won’t get in trouble for swearing on national TV much. Or get our “special” Will Johnson signs confiscated.
So there’s that, I guess?
I honestly believe they refuse to reward teams for doing good
Two teams in the Concacaf Chapions Leauge and they don’t get a second glance
You're absolutely right!!!!
You seem to have overlooked Portland as a “favorite” of the Don and ESPN. They will be appearing 3 times, just one less than Seattle. I don’t see how Portland moved so quickly into the preferred TV slots when so many older teams are beeing passed over.
Wait, wait wait, maybe it’s because they’ve already surpassed 11,000 season ticket sales. While they may not sell out every game this season (it’s very possible they could), I think it’s obvious to everyone that the games ESPN will air are almost guaranteed sell outs.
But you’re right, whether there’s a full stadium to show on TV along with the game is immaterial. In fact, if ESPN and “the Don” wouldn’t be such jerks and put some games in Dallas on national television, that would free up all of these large market fans to watch on TV. That would obviously boost ratings. Less fans in the stands means more fans watching from home, right. The fact that Dallas’s average attendance was 1/2 the stadium capacity won’t matter. We can just tell everyone to sit on the side of the stadium that the cameras are aimed at like they had to do for the second half of the MLS Cup.
Face it, ESPN for the forseeable future is going to favor sell out crowds when it’s choosing MLS matches to televise. When the game gets dull (which they have no control over), the crowd offers an interesting distraction for viewers. If it gives the production crews more to work with, and therefore a better chance at creating a compelling broadcast, then so be it.
One point you completely overlooked while you were moaning and groaing about how all teams should be treated equally regardless of the size of their following was that only 1/3 of the matches this season will be on Thursday. Thursday scheduling was a factor that almost everyone agreed was a major contributor to last season’s low ratings (almost all the ESPN matches were on Thursday). They’re clearly branching out this season with just under half (11) of the games on weekend days (Fri, Sat, or Sun). They’ve also got 2 Mondays, a Tuesday, and even a Wednesday mixed in. To be honest, the scheduling is equally as important as the teams playing because if you schedule it up against some other big TV event, it doesn’t matter who’s playing, nobody’s watching. The fact that FirstKick is on a Tuesday this year shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone since that will be an off night for the NCAA tournament.
These guys aren’t stupid. They know their business well and this schedule shows some obvious effort to not repeat the poor numbers from last year. If all you see is that every team isn’t getting their fair share, then you need to open your eyes.
Wow
So New York, who with a brand new stadium and 3 DP’s last year didn’t sell out, hell the biggest city in the US could only average crowds 1K bigger than RSL, the Chicago Fire (4 times on ESPN this year) average 1K less than RSL. You want to know why Portland is on TV 3 times, easy they like Chivas have a pair of matches against one of “the 3”. So if you remove the Seattle matches, they would show up once.
I know you tend to disagree with everything I write and I am still confused why you even read my blog, but clearly you don’t actually read it. Since if you did you would realize that “large crowds” isn’t the key to getting on TV, or the Union would be on 4-5 times instead of just once (plus their two matches with New York- who clearly need another team in NYC for rivalry reason). You of course missed the very point that poor numbers from last year featured the exact same numbers of matches from “the 3” as the 2011 schedule does, yup repeating that formula clearly will work this year, since if bombed last year.
No, no, you are right I am a total idiot with my eyes closed. How dare I think that a national partner working with the powers that be at MLS HQ would do something stupid, or something more about pimping their stars to sell jerseys than actually promoting the league. My god how stupid of me to think that showing the same 3 teams in 1/2 of the national broadcasts is not the perfect strategy to grow the league, and those teams.
If you think for a second that ESPN cares about MLS, ask yourself why they are only showing one match in September? I can tell you why, it is easy. They drop MLS like a hot potato when they can put on college football, hell they will broadcast WNBA matches over MLS matches. You want to know why there are matches on various days of the week and not just Thursdays, because they couldn’t get MLS to agree to have NY, LA and Seattle play all their matches on Thursdays.
In fact why don’t you look at the 5 matches they will cover on Saturdays, and tell me how many of them don’t feature one of “the 3”. You actually miss the biggest thing that you should have pointed out, but I am not going to give that one to you. Let’s see if you can figure it out. You clearly haven’t watched many ESPN broadcasts of MLS matches, they rarely show the fans and all you see for 99% of the broadcast are the few sections opposite their main cameras. But keep on telling yourself that it is about the fans and selling out stadiums (something neither New York or LA do often), keep on believing that this is more than the league and ESPN “pimping” out their big name DPs. See you miss the point that I am fine with Seattle being on their 5 times, don’t really have a problem with that at all, my issue is that they clearly aren’t rewarding the best teams on the pitch with more coverage. The big market strategy adopted last year, resulted in 12% fewer people watching and I bet by mid season most fans will be tired of listening to them pump up Beckham, Marquez, and Henry for 120 minutes every time that ESPN cares to cover MLS.
I think both the Seattle-Portland games are on TV because the league wants to showcase that rivalry.
Fair or not, I think that is the rationale behind it.
Take it down a notch
Look, the tone of this post is what inspired my tone. You’re obviously taking it hard, so sorry. A few replies:
So New York, who with a brand new stadium and 3 DP’s last year didn’t sell out, hell the biggest city in the US could only average crowds 1K bigger than RSL
Their attendance grew by 47% last season. They had 3 DPs for only half the year. You can’t really believe that 1K will be the difference between RSL and RBNY attendance again this year. ESPN obviously doesn’t and I think they’re right.
I know you tend to disagree with everything I write and I am still confused why you even read my blog
I don’t disagree with everything you write, but I make it known when I do. Why I read your blog is my business (though I have shared some reasons with you before). The bigger question is why you’re having an alergic reaction to a dissenting opinion from someone who’s willing to share. You blogged this publicly. Do you only want people who agree with you to read it or comment on it? Are you the only one entitled to use such an arrogant tone?
Since if you did you would realize that "large crowds" isn’t the key to getting on TV, or the Union would be on 4-5 times instead of just once (plus their two matches with New York- who clearly need another team in NYC for rivalry reason).
Well that’s 3 times, not 1, isn’t it. I didn’t say large crowds were the key, just a contributing factor. Big name players are another (as you’ve made abundantly clear). There are probably others I’m not thinking of. Like I said, the program directors at ESPN are not stupid. They know what makes good TV and are doing their best to select games that will improve ratings.
You actually miss the biggest thing that you should have pointed out, but I am not going to give that one to you.
Cute. So is this a discussion about facts and data or about hiding something in the name of defending your opinion whether it’s right or wrong?
You clearly haven’t watched many ESPN broadcasts of MLS matches, they rarely show the fans and all you see for 99% of the broadcast are the few sections opposite their main cameras.
I watched them all last season (I even DVR’d the ones from Seattle and watched them the next day). You’re wrong. Every dead ball, goal kick, or extended injury stoppage, they cut away for at least a few seconds (sometimes much longer) to show the stadium, the supporters sections, or individuals in the crowd. John Harks in particular loved to comment on the “great atmosphere” at many of games last season.
But keep on telling yourself that it is about the fans and selling out stadiums (something neither New York or LA do often)
More often than anyone else last season (except Seattle and Toronto).
See you miss the point that I am fine with Seattle being on their 5 times
Huh? This blog post would indicate otherwise.
Last thing… have you considered pointing your favortism microscope at the TeleFutura scheduling? Seattle doesn’t appear once. Not once. And nobody cares. Seattle’s not a team Spanish speakers are interested in. Is that fair? Is it an injustice? Should Seattle be forced on Spanish speaking fans whether they like it or not? Point is, casual fans know names like Donavan, Beckham, and Henrey. Casual fans are impressed by the large crowds in Seattle. Should ESPN be in the business of showing them what they will watch, or trying to force them to watch players they don’t know in stadiums that aren’t filled? ESPN knows their demographics (English speaking American sports fans) and knows what will hold their attention as they flip through the channels looking for something to watch. I applaud their efforts to get more people interested in their broadcasts, and by extension in the league.
You can choose to play your “the Don hates us” card, or “the Don is beating us down” card, or even “the Don is stupid” card if you like. First, I don’t think it’s the Don’s fault. Second, I think ESPN cherry picked these games and they did it because they believe they can promote these games (better than any others) to the average American sports fan.
Maybe, but unlikely.
Their attendance grew by 47% last season. They had 3 DPs for only half the year. You can’t really believe that 1K will be the difference between RSL and RBNY attendance again this year. ESPN obviously doesn’t and I think they’re right.
OK, then explain how the same 3 teams accounted for 19 ESPN appearances in 2009, clearly if it were based only on attendance (it isn’t ) then even a 47% increase still left them shy of other teams. It was about DP’s and the higher paid the better.
The bigger question is why you’re having an alergic reaction to a dissenting opinion from someone who’s willing to share.
I don’t it is just find it humorous how have nothing to share positive and react the same way when I question your points.
John Harks in particular loved to comment on the "great atmosphere" at many of games last season.
And he said that just about everywhere they went. Do you really expect the pandering announce team of ESPN to say, well these fans suck? Come on, the ESPN coverage show maybe 5 minutes of fans in a 120 minute broadcast, and if there camera guys can’t find people even at PHP, well then they need some help.
More often than anyone else last season (except Seattle and Toronto).
Are you going by announced sell outs or when the actual seats are full, I would say LA probably is shy about 5-6,000 each match from their announced totals (something many teams have and some continue to do). New York had a brand new stadium all year, they were one of the hottest teams all season long, the hype of TH14 started almost at the start of the season. Oh and I show one actual sellout at RBA of 25,000. So no they didn’t LA averaged 79% full, and again having watched almost all their matches an average of 21,000 is being very liberal with the numbers.
Last thing… have you considered pointing your favortism microscope at the TeleFutura scheduling? Seattle doesn’t appear once. Not once. And nobody cares. Seattle’s not a team Spanish speakers are interested in. Is that fair? Is it an injustice? Should Seattle be forced on Spanish speaking fans whether they like it or not?
First, I think Hispanic fans would love to watch Seattle play, your roster has how many players from Central & South America? Second I don’t consider single language broadcasts on Telefutura or Galavision anywhere near the same thing as ESPN coverage, even though they had better ratings than ESPN in 2009.
You also missed this from my comments:
“I love watching matches from Seattle, more because the are often good matches than listening to the crowd in the background. I have to believe fans want to watch good matches, and want some variety, instead of having to watch just 3 teams over and over again.”
ESPN knows their demographics (English speaking American sports fans) and knows what will hold their attention as they flip through the channels looking for something to watch. I applaud their efforts to get more people interested in their broadcasts, and by extension in the league.
If this is true then how do you explain that by showing NY, LA, and Seattle 19 times last year the ratings dropped 12%? Did people just not watch when anyone else was playing? Or do the 250,000 people who watch the ESPN matches on average, do so because most often that is the only MLS match being played at the time?
See I believe that ESPN gets their soccer viewers from the base of MLS fans much more than casual fans, but if their goal is to attract casual fans do you do that by showcasing just a few team with big name players and large crowds, or do you do that by showing them the best teams, and the best players. Now you can make a case for Landon covering both cases, and last year New York, Seattle and LA were all solid teams, but the league’s MVP wasn’t shown but once. The golden boot, yup just once.
As I said, i think the reason that the MLS Cup numbers were down is two fold, first nobody outside of dedicated MLS fans knew the teams or the players, and the league and ESPN gave the match less PR than they did the New York vs LA matches.
I don’t think “the Don” hates anyone, I don’t think he is “stupid” but I think he is stuck in a mindset that didn’t work last year and he will try it again and hope it works this year. I think ESPN won’t do squat to promote the matches beyond what they did last year, which was awful with the exception of New York vs LA. You would think if they promoted the sport, that they could find more than 1/4 of 1% of their “sports fan” audience to watch the matches. See I don’t think the number will jump beyond 500,000 no matter who ESPN shows but I think if they want to get back to the 2009 numbers a year they featured New York, LA, and Seattle just 11 times. That year by the way, FC Dallas was on 3 times, the Crew 3 times, and every team in the league was on at least once, average viewership was about 40K more without being dominated by a few team.
I think that “the Don” gets bad advice, I think he has a bunch of people around him who tell him what he wants to hear. I think his ideas and understanding of the market are dated. Here is a guy who less than 18 months ago said Facebook wasn’t going to be successful because they don’t make any money, and thought Twitter was interesting if they could figure out how to “monetize” it. He is like a lot of CEO’s in America, 5 years in the past and missing out on what could be.
I hope you are right, I hope that showing the same 3 teams in about 1/2 of all broadcasts will work this year for ESPN, I hope ratings go up and that they find hundreds of thousands of “average sports fans” who will watch MLS and become fans, of course according to your points they would be unable to go to live matches since Seattle is sold out all the time, and while their is room for New York and LA to sell some more tickets, the teams that need the public eye most will be left in the dust.
Replies and some new points to consider
the teams that need the public eye most will be left in the dust
Wow, that was impressive. So now your argument is that teams should be featured on ESPN because they need it? To use “the Don’s” words: it’s not a charity.
First, I think Hispanic fans would love to watch Seattle play
Actually I think they’d rather watch Omar Bravo playing for KC. Telefutura thinks that too because KC (who’s on ESPN just once) is on 5 times.
See I believe that ESPN gets their soccer viewers from the base of MLS fans much more than casual fans
I think that’s the first flaw in the way you’re thinking about this. The base of MLS fans will get access to the games whether they’re on ESPN or not. Most of those fans just have to turn on local broadcasts to see their local team, buy the channel package that includes FSC, and buy DirectKick. ESPN is where the best chance exists to hook casual fans, and I submit that the way to do that is with big crowds on TV and big names on the field.
if their goal is to attract casual fans do you do that by showcasing just a few team with big name players and large crowds
Tweak that just a bit and I’m on board (even though this was your counterpoint). Try this wording: …attract casual fans by showcasing just a few the teams with big name players and large crowds. Yup, that’s about right.
or do you do that by showing them the best teams, and the best players
LA and NY were the best teams in the East and the West and its hard to argue they don’t have some of (many of) the best players.
MLS Cup numbers were down is two fold, first nobody outside of dedicated MLS fans knew the teams or the players
I don’t see how you can say this and then in the same breath say that ESPN should still be focusing on these teams and matchups with regular season scheduling.
Further food for thought:
- Assuming ESPN considers the potential viewership of a RBNY game and an RSL game the same (taking into account DPs, crowd size, etc.) which game do they choose? I think they choose the game in New York because they already have a broadcast crew in town. I think it costs more for them to fly the crew out to Salt Lake and therefore, all-things-being-equal, the NY game wins in that case.
- I didn’t notice it before, but most of these games fit one of the following “good game for TV” criteria: a major rivalry match, first match in a new stadium, or a playoff rematch. The 6 exceptions are both LAvNY games, the SEAvNY game, the RSLvNE game, CHIvNY game, and the COLvHOU game.
- Of the exceptions, I don’t think anyone can be upset for the LAvNY games. Easy to promote, and you’ve already pointed out that they can (and did) promote this matchup better than last year’s MLS Cup.
- COLvHOU and RSLvNE are probably filling a gap week with no instances of “good game for TV” criteria matches, so they chose to give the MLS Cup winner and the SS runner up some love.
- I have no explanation for CHIvNY other than the same game last year got some serious hype as possibly being the first game ever to feature 6 DPs on the pitch at the same time (it didn’t actually happen since Henrey didn’t play).
But you miss the point
We tired this last year and it failed, down 12% compared to 2009 when they didn’t just focus on 3 teams for 1/2 of the broadcasts. That is pure simple numbers.
Showcasing the best teams and best matches, explain anything with Chivas, Philly or DC in it, the 3 worst teams last year. So they go for Rivalry matches, based on whose perception of rivalry? No FCD vs. Houston, one of the top rivalries each year.
It is clear that you and I differ on this one, I firmly believe that MLS and ESPN both think they will get bigger numbers by “pimping the big name DP’s” in New York and LA, I would love it if it had worked last year but the numbers don’t support that. In fact it is funny that the numbers for TV were better before the multiple DP rules went into effect. ESPN matches aren’t on any other network, so fans (soccer fans) watch those matches, most of them are scheduled when no other team is playing and still they only get 1/4 of 1 percent of the household that ESPN2 is in, sorry that isn’t capturing the casual fans.
These numbers stayed the same after the World Cup bump as they were before it, which tells me you can get casual fans when ESPN pumps the matches all the time and when the rest of the world is paying attention. It tells me that the number of people going to watch MLS on ESPN2 isn’t going to pop, in fact the soccer numbers for ESPN never really pop like you would expect. Most EPL matches average about the same number of viewers as the MLS matches.
So the stark reality is that the 225-300K people who are going to watch soccer on ESPN2 are going to watch it, and the 99.5 million others who have the network aren’t. It has been that way since 2006 up to last year, maybe it will work this time, you know the same thing they said last year. Or maybe, and lets just imagine for a minute, they actually think about changing something to try to grow the ratings?
Now what will do that is the million dollar question, or the 20 million dollar question as FSC and Versus found out. I think more exposure, put more matches on TV it has worked for Versus with the NHL, the more they show the more fans tend to watch each broadcast. Put a variety of matches on and feature the best players the league has to offer, or the stop talking about David Beckham every broadcast.
Maybe that will be TH14 this year, but if it isn’t then the league and network should adjust what matches they show to feature the hot teams. Last year FC Dallas, RSL were incredible over the last half of the season, how nice if they had featured that matchup. I don’t claim to have all the answers, but I do believe that doing the same thing as last year and hoping for a different set of results is foolhardy at best.
So neither of us is a typical casual sports fan, but heck most of the ESPN staff and their announcers didn’t know who the hell played for Colorado or FC Dallas and it was reflected in their promotion and coverage of the match, everyone had so put all their chips on LA vs New York, that when it didn’t happen MLS and ESPN just gave up and dialed in the effort and it showed. Go back to the week before MLS Cup 2009 and the coverage of the match (most of it focused on Landon and Beckham, right or wrong) and then think about what the coverage was the week before MLS Cup 2010. If you don’t see a difference, well then nothing I can say will ever convince you.
The sport hasn’t gotten a huge pop from Beckham, sure some main stream media coverage and in LA they did sell a bunch more season tickets (shame most of those people don’t actually show) and yes when TH14 came to the league there was more mainstream media attention in New York and combined with Rafa and a new stadium the Red Bulls got a nice pop in attendance. But to soccer fans most will show up to see these guys play, they know they are legends but to a lot of casual sports fans it just looks like the farewell tour for the Rolling Stones, guys are legends getting paid but past their prime.
A note on the Canadian Team
I have to believe that Toronto FC and Vancouver are not on ESPN2 due to the new contract in Canada to cover MLS via TSN. It would be hard to explain it any other way.
nicely done
always love a good anti-Garber rant ;-)
as a Sounders supporter I just wanted to chime in and say you’re certainly on the right track here. I’m not in a position to give a crap whether our games are on ESPN or not, seeing as how we have a pretty sweet local TV deal and our local broadcaster, Arlo White, is pretty popular…
Last year, RSL and Dallas were great stories, and yet you would hardly have known about it. The “New York, L.A., Seattle” attitude doesn’t help the league grow – although it also must be said the Cascadia Derby (Seattle, Portland, Vancouver) is going to be something that ought to be aggressively marketed by the League. But then again so should the Rocky Mt. Cup (if I have that name right, apologies if I don’t), The Texas Derby, the rivalries between NY, NE, Philly, and DC, and so on down the line.
...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!
by malcontentjake on Feb 11, 2011 12:24 PM MST reply actions
you are welcome
Listen I hate being anti-Garber. I know that it is very likely that you and I wouldn’t have MLS to watch or support if it wasn’t for him, I have no doubt that is a fact. I also know that the sports world, like the world at large is a very different place than it was in 2001. It is a very different place than it was in 2005 and having a leader that is stuck back in the past, who is using the model the NFL used back in the mid-late 90’s.
The world is now online as much as it is on TV, so I would be very happy if we could get ESPN to put more matches on ESPN3 (why wouldn’t they?) and announce that with the schedule. Instead MLS will try to sell you a package to watch streaming feeds that often are awful no matter what your connection speed.
It is important to know that I don’t believe that anyone at MLS goes to work in the morning and thinks “how can I screw over the league, or teams”, I think they all want to do their best but there are some core things that point to the fact that the leadership isn’t up to the task, and over the past year those items have become so apparent to fans and media alike that the league now looks like a joke to many. Take a horrible launch of the new league website, one that still has no search, and isn’t 100% functional a year after launch. The slow negotiations on the CBA last year and the TV deal this year. The fact that we just got a season schedule, 35 days before the season starts. We still don’t know the playoff format for this year, and how many changes do they have to make before they just make a decision and stick with it. The fact that they pulled “the major announcement” press conference to announce a location for the All Star match, not who they would be facing, nope just that they would play at Red Bull arena. I mean none of these are huge signs but collectively they point to an organization with a lack of internal communications and leadership.
Last year “the 3” were shown 19 times and ratings went down 12%, so how do we solve that, we show the same 3 teams 19 times again and hope it will result in a different outcome. I am willing to bet that a good portion of people who watched ESPN’s MLS coverage last year, couldn’t even name all the teams in the league. If ESPN was their only exposure to MLS, they would only probably know “the 3” plus 3-4 others. That is not how you grow a league.
can't say I disagree with any of that
from some of the things I’ve written some people would definitely say that I am anti-playoffs, when in fact I’m not. I completely understand the desire to have playoffs and a “cup final” to determine an MLS champion. I will be the first to admit they have their place . My problem is that the playoffs are just so half-ass, and absolutely do not properly reward regular season success. This pisses me off to the point I feel like we’d just do better without them…
And this is how I feel about The Don. I will be the first to admit he has his place in MLS, but at the same time… I mean… his whole halftime announcement about the playoff structure during the MLS Cup, and WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE. You’re right on about that All-Star announcement: all sound and fury signifying NOTHING. You add all these things up and an opinionated guy like me just gets pissed off and says “we’d be better of without him.”
Such is the way with passionate supporters, I will be the first to admit I can get pretty worked up about things. But the MLS needs to WORK because we’ve come to far to have it all collapse in on itself because of poor leadership…
...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!
by malcontentjake on Feb 11, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
Chicago?
Uhh… Chicago is scheduled for 4 games too. That sort of turns this thesis on its head. Either Chicago needs to be added to the list of (now 4) favorites, or there’s really only 2 favorites (LA and NY) and Seattle and Chicago don’t make the list.
Chicago actually is interesting
First, I broke my list at the big 3 for a reason, 19 times on ESPN2 in 2010 (ratings down) and 19 scheduled times on ESPN2 in 2011. It also was close to 50% of the available 42 spots from the 21 matches.
If you want to look at Chicago, we can:
You could say it is a big market, it is but then how to explain FC Dallas. You could say it is the DP’s but they got rid of their biggest names. You could say it is about the best teams, but the Fire were bad last year and could be worse this year. You could say it is about sold out stadiums, but the Fire average just over 15 K. Now they do have a great supporters group, maybe that is it but then LA and New York would be found lacking (they are good but nothing like Chicago or Seattle (or DC for that)).
Chicago has shown they will spend money on big names to get on TV, Blanco (who turned out to be a great surprise on the pitch, despite his diving), hell they put the Underwear guy on roster after he melted down in Seattle. Is MLS and ESPN thinking they will do the same thing again in 2011, yeah I am going to bet that they do and I am willing to bet that Chicago will.
Does that defeat or make my point? Listen I think Seattle sells itself, quality on the pitch, a couple DP’s (no mega names this year), a sold out stadium every match, a top TV market, and they play attractive soccer. New York and LA, quality on the pitch, Big Name DP’s, solid attendance, big markets, I hate the LA counter attack and New York’s style of play, well I don’t think even they have figured it out yet. I would rather watch, FCD or Philly than either New York or LA for style of play. I think Chicago does as much to make my point about LA and New York, the names are what they are “pimping” (if Chicago brings in another big name).
It's hard to see the future
Look, it’s true that the matches are heavily favored towards NY/LA/Seattle, but part of it is probably the assumption (probably rightly so) by ESPN that those matches would be ones where the teams have something to play for (because they’ll all likely be at the top/competing for the playoffs). Or they showcase new stadiums, or rivalry matches. In other words, these matchups have some predictability in how much base interest in the fans and competitiveness. Yes, it’s easy to say in retrospect that FCD and Colorado should have gotten more coverage in the later half of the season, but you have to set the schedules now. Honestly, that’s probably why RSL and Colorado are shown in a matchup later in the season. The fact that these matchups are probably more likely to matter was one deciding factor in ESPN’s scheduling. After all, if based on the first half of the season you were going to tell me that any games for FCD mattered in the second half last year I would have probably called you crazy.

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